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BERNARDINE DOHRN: The movement was never not into violence. Violence--the violence was all around us. The violence was being done. The violence was being done by the body bags every day, by a million people in Southeast Asia being killed. The violence was a given. So it's true that we tried to hurl ourselves into the middle of things. But, again, I just want to emphasize that compared to what?

BILL AYERS: We reached a point where we were operating outside of the law, and that is a lot because we were being harassed by the law, and the law was acting outside the law. So in a sense, you know, everyone had lost their bearings, and what we did was certainly serious and had consequences for us personally, but I don't think it was, it was anything that was uncalled for. I mean, I think it was called for.